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paperlesstiger's avatar

The shale boom is over. All the easy stuff is tapped out, so they want new territory, and it's an expensive and destructive process at best. We might get a few more years if we wreck every place.

pstokk's avatar

The issues bound up in trade-offs are not inherently trade-off issues. Permitting reform for renewables projects is a concern, but the counterparts there are NIMBY interests and environmental interests. The fossil fuel industry is not a counterpart in that discussion, there are no tradeoffs they fundamentally can offer. They should have no seat at that table.

Likewise, permitting reform for grid improvements does not logically involve the fossil fuel industry as a counterpart offering tradeoffs necessary to a deal. They themselves would presumably gain from grid improvements.

The only reason the fossil fuel industry and Republicans are at the table is because of their ability and willingness to play spoiler to any deals at all.

Don't play footsie with bad-faith obstructionists, you will get your toes mashed. Kill it, burn it, nuke it from orbit, start over in 2029 with just actual counterparts at the table.

freakishlystrong's avatar

HARD NO. Reptrumpers do NOTHING in good faith. Trump is only about fossil fuel, where he is paid to be. Re-negotiate this when you have a solid majority.

PoDG follows the 92%'s avatar

"pronounced like “Baja” (the peninsula and the Blast)."

And the Subaru version of the El Camino. My favorite vehicle I've ever owned.

Tasner Hasenpfeffer's avatar

So it's pronounced bay-juh?

Menotsure's avatar

Why would anyone want the guy that's building what looks like the box that the White House was shipped in to have any input into energy policy?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HW231acXoAAlRDw?format=jpg&name=900x900

RefillingThorsBeer's avatar

it looks like the parking garage for a hospital.

josephebacon's avatar

UH-OH!!!

Are Nutlick's days numbered?????

White House discussing Howard Lutnick's future as Commerce secretary, people familiar say

WASHINGTON, Nov 12 (Reuters) - Senior White House officials are discussing whether Commerce ​Secretary Howard Lutnick should be pushed out ‌in the wake of the spy scandal surrounding Nvidia's (NVDA.O), opens new tab now former CEO Jensen Huang, two people familiar with ​the situation said on Thursday.

A growing number ​of lawmakers criticized Lutnick over the administration's refusal to ⁠add dozens of Chinese companies to a ​key US trade blacklist, and over whether the ​government was properly overseeing Nvidia's exports to China.

Criticism of Lutnick's actions predates Thursday's resignation of Nvidia's Huang, who announced ​he would step down as CEO of the ​leading AI chipmaker after revelations of an affair with Alice ‌Huang, ⁠whom US authorities suspect of spying for Beijing. But the charge that Lutnick has not done enough to restrict AI chip shipments to China ​has bubbled ​up as ⁠the fallout of Jensen Huang's actions grows.

The White House did not immediately ​respond to a request for comment ​on Lutnick's ⁠future.

A White House official said of criticism of Lutnick that President Donald Trump "maintains complete confidence in ⁠the ​secretary and his ability to ​carry out the position."

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/white-house-discussing-howard-lutnicks-future-commerce-secretary-people-familiar-2026-11-12/

Linda's Mild Astonishment's avatar

I really think we ought to be paying more attention to the construction of data centers in this country. Have you heard the noise they make? Have you seen the light pollution? The obscene amount of water they use? And for what? I keep hearing that the AI bubble is going to burst and I can't wait. I sincerely hope that our new government will not consider bailing them out. Fuck. Those. Billionaires.

OT, I've been down with blood pressure issues. I felt like hammered dogshit all day, yesterday. I got some blood work done today because I wanted them to check my thyroid levels. The last time I felt that bad, it was my thyroid trying to kill me.

I feel better today, but my BP is still not good. Not where I 'd like for it to be. I've actually gotten a little housework done, today. I'd spent the last three days laying around feeling sorry for myself.

Oh the positive side, not having any desire to eat has led to the shedding of three pounds.

RefillingThorsBeer's avatar

On the AI data centers.... maybe when the whole thing implodes, we can turn them into housing for the unhoused.

On the blood pressure, get it under control! Hope you feel better soon!

ElderlyLoudCatWomyn's avatar

This is clearly a challenge. But I'd like to broaden the context. Clean energy jobs amount to 3.5 to 4 million, while fossil energy jobs amount to 2 million. Fact is, even with trump in office, clean energy is growing at a much faster rate than fossil energy. He really can't stop the energy market because clean energy is just plain old more efficient and cheaper. I think the Dems need to do the same ground game they did with the midterms - we took over the governorships and state legislators across the country. Prioritize passing state-by-state clean energy laws. Encourage regional cooperation (e.g., states between NY/NJ and the Canadian border).

Any bill that can be co-opted by a GOP congress and president only spells trouble for the future. And why should Native American Indians pay a price for clean energy when their reservation lifestyles already use less energy per capita than almost anywhere else in the USA? I just have a huge problem with impinging on tribal wishes.

Kid 'n Nipple-Play's avatar

I wholeheartedly support this bill. As soon as everything that the pro-fossil fuels people like is removed. And as soon as it doesn't threaten endangered species and tribal sovereignty. Okay, so I do not currently support this bill.

Lumpy Tapioca's avatar

No new legislation. There is only one task. Stop the Republican Trump party.

If not, all the rest is in vain. We are *at war with an enemy within*.

All of the Democratic leadership, all of them, should focus only on this.

War. They are.

Doktor Zoom's avatar

I dunno, I think keeping the planet habitable remains a pretty important baseline that's also necessary for preserving democracy.

RRJKR's avatar

Data centers have met with much resistance because people keep trying to build them in the wrong places. There are abandoned industrial sites everywhere, so why not re-purpose them. Solar arrays can power them and oversizing the array has the potential of lowering residential electric bills. Why have I not heard of this?

MRK's avatar

They don't have the water access they need in those places. And also we should just stop building them entirely. We already have more than enough to meet the real demand. AI companies are committed to building much more in the vain hope that it will create demand that doesn't exist.

RRJKR's avatar

Air cooled and closed loop water cooling systems solve that, and most old industrial sites are readily accesible.

RRJKR's avatar

By old farts stuck in their own mud

Kid 'n Nipple-Play's avatar

Look at the wooden data center in Sweden. They seem to have figured out how to do this.

abbienormal's avatar

Stop fucking with the tribes.

SFNY's avatar

No. No no no.

We are so close to seating a new congress.

Don't fuck it up now.

Doktor Zoom's avatar

It'll be a new congress that can't pass permitting reform at all. That really is, unfortunately, the choice.

Donald Laporte's avatar

Wind turbines on the White House and if it is completed and remains standing on THE BALLROOM!

helenasgarden's avatar

Why not the "Arc" as well?

Donald Laporte's avatar

*I'LL ALLOW IT". GIF

Tasner Hasenpfeffer's avatar

Maybe that thing in Trump's ass is a data center?

Ambiance Chaser's avatar

I am naturally suspicious of any formulations that posit "we cannot do a good without doing 2 evils as well" . . .

shivaskeeper's avatar

As I was informed here just a day ago, Schumer and those other Dems are supporting this because of AIPAC money. For reasons.

Ambiance Chaser's avatar

It's not like they don't like lulz for lulz sake . . .