If this debate were taking place between rational, adult humans that really should be the end of it right there. But it isn't. There are God-bothering, Fox watching pod people on one side of it.
For everyone crying about the boycotts hurting folks who don't have anything to do with this: collateral damage has always been a regrettable part of war. And make no mistake, this is war. Today they come for abortion, god knows what they'll come for tomorrow because only they know what madness their fevered brains whip up in the middle of the night. I'm truly sorry you are essentially in a warzone and need to fear friendly fire from well-meaning allies. But just like donating more money to the Red Cross doesn't stop vicious warlords or civil war, donating to a worthy cause won't stop conservatives from coming for your rights. Taking your money away from them DOES because there isn't enough of them to keep their coffers full. You have to hit them where it hurts and cutting off funding / supplies is an effective way to route the enemy.
It's not fair. It's *NEVER* been fair. We're not doing it to be cruel - we're doing this to make it stop because money is what makes the world go round. It's the only thing that really matters to them.
The Republicans in NC set the highest bar for bold, brazen, proud corruption. They don’t even bother trying to hide it in most cases, and when they do, it’s a minimal effort at best. Between gerrymandering and poor education, many people don’t understand what is happening. The ones that do can’t make enough gains over the gerrymandering. I rage-vomit in my mouth every time I run into a piece of the corruption, but sadly, I’m starting to condition to it.
Certainly the alarms were sounded. No argument there. But being outflanked didn’t happen because of naivety or naysayers. The courts were but one of the tactics. The steady gerrymandering (used by both Republicans and Dems) and election rigging (Republicans) has resulted in yet another wall. The redefining of terminology used to ‘debate’ abortion or ‘personhood’ was also a wall. Churches can now promote political views, legally. There are other tactics as well. All of them required approaching their goal from a different angle, and they had resources, and they don’t play by the rules.
Our inability to see the nature of this issue, or at least our desire to continue arguing over it as though it’s a productive debate, has always been our weakness. It’s a problem that Dems have as well as pro-choicers. We will continue to be outflanked if we keep thinking like good examples, peacefully protest, avoid fully engaging our anger, and keep communicating our desire to ‘debate’ abortion. IMO, we are still outflanked until the mentality and perception change... not theirs, but ours.
Agreed. It’s not about hating women, although many do. It’s design is to create slaves for cheap labor. Why purchase goods and distribute/sell them when you can just own the factory?
I don't. Great ones grow right near home, and since I only eat them in season, I'm covered. Eagerly awaiting apricot season, which comes first among the stone fruit.
As a 65 yr old man, I'm a back-bencher on this issue, I guess. But I can't help donating, and marching, and I CANNOT BELIEVE WE ARE STILL TALKING ABOUT THIS. With the same fucking people, with the same uninformed or deliberately bad-faith arguments. Just the worst.
I couldn't tell what the shirt/vest was. Good for you! I wanted to see if I could find one of those (anti) clinics where they "counsel" the women not to have abortions and give them baby stuff then when the baby is born they kick them to the curb. Thought I could make up pamphlets with actual real facts and information and pass them out in front of the place like they do at the clinics. But turns out I live in a sane area where they don't have those.
While the Louisiana governor is anti-abortion, he did get the state to expand Medicaid. Not a full Republican, imo, just too attuned to the Old Guard of Old Men there. Get more women voting there and he can change his mind or get replaced.
If this debate were taking place between rational, adult humans that really should be the end of it right there. But it isn't. There are God-bothering, Fox watching pod people on one side of it.
For everyone crying about the boycotts hurting folks who don't have anything to do with this: collateral damage has always been a regrettable part of war. And make no mistake, this is war. Today they come for abortion, god knows what they'll come for tomorrow because only they know what madness their fevered brains whip up in the middle of the night. I'm truly sorry you are essentially in a warzone and need to fear friendly fire from well-meaning allies. But just like donating more money to the Red Cross doesn't stop vicious warlords or civil war, donating to a worthy cause won't stop conservatives from coming for your rights. Taking your money away from them DOES because there isn't enough of them to keep their coffers full. You have to hit them where it hurts and cutting off funding / supplies is an effective way to route the enemy.
It's not fair. It's *NEVER* been fair. We're not doing it to be cruel - we're doing this to make it stop because money is what makes the world go round. It's the only thing that really matters to them.
Welcome to Missouri/Georgia/Louisiana/Jesus, fuck! Abandon hope all ye who enter here.
The Republicans in NC set the highest bar for bold, brazen, proud corruption. They don’t even bother trying to hide it in most cases, and when they do, it’s a minimal effort at best. Between gerrymandering and poor education, many people don’t understand what is happening. The ones that do can’t make enough gains over the gerrymandering. I rage-vomit in my mouth every time I run into a piece of the corruption, but sadly, I’m starting to condition to it.
Certainly the alarms were sounded. No argument there. But being outflanked didn’t happen because of naivety or naysayers. The courts were but one of the tactics. The steady gerrymandering (used by both Republicans and Dems) and election rigging (Republicans) has resulted in yet another wall. The redefining of terminology used to ‘debate’ abortion or ‘personhood’ was also a wall. Churches can now promote political views, legally. There are other tactics as well. All of them required approaching their goal from a different angle, and they had resources, and they don’t play by the rules.
Our inability to see the nature of this issue, or at least our desire to continue arguing over it as though it’s a productive debate, has always been our weakness. It’s a problem that Dems have as well as pro-choicers. We will continue to be outflanked if we keep thinking like good examples, peacefully protest, avoid fully engaging our anger, and keep communicating our desire to ‘debate’ abortion. IMO, we are still outflanked until the mentality and perception change... not theirs, but ours.
Agreed. It’s not about hating women, although many do. It’s design is to create slaves for cheap labor. Why purchase goods and distribute/sell them when you can just own the factory?
Clark Bridge is much more important for this. Thankfully that old 1-1/2 laner was replaced years ago.
I don't. Great ones grow right near home, and since I only eat them in season, I'm covered. Eagerly awaiting apricot season, which comes first among the stone fruit.
Just saw this on the noon news. If the law holds, they're all leaving.
As a 65 yr old man, I'm a back-bencher on this issue, I guess. But I can't help donating, and marching, and I CANNOT BELIEVE WE ARE STILL TALKING ABOUT THIS. With the same fucking people, with the same uninformed or deliberately bad-faith arguments. Just the worst.
"Rollin' With The Homies?"
It isn't really a boycott. It's more an acknowledgement that the business climate just degraded significantly.
Gavin McInnes used to be part owner of Vice, which is all I need to know about it.
I couldn't tell what the shirt/vest was. Good for you! I wanted to see if I could find one of those (anti) clinics where they "counsel" the women not to have abortions and give them baby stuff then when the baby is born they kick them to the curb. Thought I could make up pamphlets with actual real facts and information and pass them out in front of the place like they do at the clinics. But turns out I live in a sane area where they don't have those.
While the Louisiana governor is anti-abortion, he did get the state to expand Medicaid. Not a full Republican, imo, just too attuned to the Old Guard of Old Men there. Get more women voting there and he can change his mind or get replaced.
boycotts hurting folks who don't have anything to do with this
They can move, too.