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This man is going places. Not anywhere good, but he's going places.

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When I was just a naive Comp Sci major, I learned the term GIGO (Garbage In, Garbage Out). AI seems to be the ultimate expression of this. In order to get an AI to produce a good, usable product, you have to put in a lot of work and edit, edit, edit. As a soon to retire teacher, whose students use AI to try to produce essays and answers to simple questions, rather than learning anything or working, I have discovered that those who use AI tend to be too lazy to effectively use AI.

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For not quite two grand. Wow. Destroy your life for two grand.

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AI *is* useful for finding out where Napoleon crowned himself emperor, though, when it's 2:00 am and you can't sleep and your brain has just taken a left at Albuquerque.

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Hany Farid, quoted above, used to be a CS professor at Dartmouth many years ago! Very good guy, and WICKED SMAHT as we say around these pahts.

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A faht smella. I mean a smaht fella

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โ€œStories like this might get us to change our minds, though.โ€

Why, when the AI is no more โ€œintelligentโ€ than the people using it?

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Because it is probably more intelligent than many people who consume it, as this story indicates.

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I like AI and use both the text& image varieties in my personal creative endeavors. Like I'll write something that's too long and boring and I'll ask a bot to rewrite it in the style of a 'gritty detective story' in 500 words or less and I'll get some pretty interesting responses that'll spark my imagination. I still have to edit what the bot throws back at me but It's an extremely useful tool for someone in my situation.

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Technology may be getting more intelligent but people are still dumb.

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Doh๐Ÿคฆโ€โ™€๏ธ

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Why did a teacher have a studentโ€™s cell phone number? That seems weird. No vetting, no wondering if this is actually true and her first instinct is to send the video to a student who would spread it like wildfire? Hinky.

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Isnโ€™t Pamela Smart still in prison?

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We communicate with students through their school email or Parent Square, which also enables you go contact parents.

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Apr 27ยทedited Apr 27

Excellent question. I'm a rowing coach, and have to keep track of my students at regattas, which are usually held in another city. My kids have a text chain, I lean over and dictate to one of them, who posts, then everyone gets it. If a kid's cell turned up in my phone I'd be fired, immediately. Email only (and even then, school email only), as it's monitored.

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Anyone employed by a school can check the files

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In my district, I have access to the phone number, address, and email address (school-provided) of every student and parent and many of the kids' siblings as well, if in the district. It's all in the SIS (Student Information System).

That being said, it is batshit crazy to communicate directly with students like this idiot of a teacher did. I am a special ed guy and have to communicate with families on a regular basis. I am very careful about realities and appearances when it comes to dealing with students, I never call/text them. I communicate with them in person or using my official email, but as this article indicates, the record of that is all available in the school's system to any investigator, and I often copy parents on those emails (unless it is just a funny little video a student is passing to me).

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And I routinely BCC the Athletic Department so they don't even have to monitor my emails, they're all right there.

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Yep, that tracks my experience, as a coach and teacher.

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founding

Don't know why she had the student's number, but I assumed she sent the recording to him because she was in on it with the athletics director.

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I thought that was weird too...I assume when I was in school the teachers could FIND me--because phone books, small town, parent forms...but weird that they were like, Johnny's a big ol' gossip and texts everyone (I do not know how schools work with cell phones) so I'll shoot this to him? Whaa?

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We have students' cell phone numbers in the SIS if they choose to tell us about them. Most do, but I never call students. Email, yes, but that is all in the official system and open to scrutiny.

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๐˜๐ซ ๐–๐จ๐ง๐ค๐ž๐ญ๐ญ๐ž ๐ญ๐ก๐ข๐ง๐ค๐ฌ ๐€๐ˆ ๐ข๐ฌ ๐›๐š๐ ๐š๐ง๐ ๐ฌ๐ญ๐ฎ๐ฉ๐ข๐ ๐Ÿ๐จ๐ซ ๐ฅ๐จ๐ญ๐ฌ ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐ซ๐ž๐š๐ฌ๐จ๐ง๐ฌ, ๐ญ๐ก๐จ๐ฎ๐ ๐ก ๐ฐ๐ž ๐š๐ซ๐ž ๐ง๐จ๐ญ ๐ง๐ž๐œ๐ž๐ฌ๐ฌ๐š๐ซ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ฌ๐œ๐ซ๐ž๐š๐ฆ๐ข๐ง๐  ๐‚๐ก๐ข๐œ๐ค๐ž๐ง-๐‹๐ข๐ญ๐ญ๐ฅ๐ž-๐ญ๐ก๐ž-๐ฌ๐ค๐ฒ-๐ข๐ฌ-๐Ÿ๐š๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ข๐ง๐ -๐จ๐ฆ๐ -๐ญ๐ก๐ž๐ฒ-๐›๐ฎ๐ข๐ฅ๐ญ-๐’๐ค๐ฒ๐ง๐ž๐ญ ๐ฌ๐ฉ๐ž๐œ๐ข๐ž๐ฌ ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐€๐ˆ ๐Ÿ๐ž๐š๐ซ๐ฆ๐จ๐ง๐ ๐ž๐ซ๐ž๐ซ. ๐’๐ญ๐จ๐ซ๐ข๐ž๐ฌ ๐ฅ๐ข๐ค๐ž ๐ญ๐ก๐ข๐ฌ ๐ฆ๐ข๐ ๐ก๐ญ ๐ ๐ž๐ญ ๐ฎ๐ฌ ๐ญ๐จ ๐œ๐ก๐š๐ง๐ ๐ž ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐ฆ๐ข๐ง๐๐ฌ, ๐ญ๐ก๐จ๐ฎ๐ ๐ก.

I dunno. Every technology is supposed to destroy the world, but it turns out that itโ€™s mostly โ€ฆ dumb.

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What about Major Kong?

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WAAAAHOOOOOO!

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I'm kind of dreading this aspect of the upcoming political campaign season. You just know a certain political party and their Russian paymasters are going to invest heavily in deepfakes. And I don't know how we combat it.

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Perhaps a rule of thumb might be that any campaign propaganda put out by one side that purports to reveal shit spoken by the opponent should be suspect until checked out.

"Did he, she, or it really say that?" will probably be my default position in this election. But then, I'm a paranoid skeptic anyway.

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Because they'll spunk so many of them out they'll trip over each other.

Also, deepfakes are still shit. Don't buy the hype.

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And so ends the era of โ€œproofโ€.

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This just in: Skynet still not self-aware; picks own nose. World safe from nuclear holocaust for now, but not from shitty gym coaches.

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Not elevating my already low opinion of gym teachers.

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I know some good PE teachers who do a good job with the HS kids I teach (I am a special ed guy). This mook was not a teacher, he was an athletic director, which in my district at least is an administrative position. So he is, by definition (or by my opinion, at least), an aszhole form the start.

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I have never had a good PE teacher. They viewed PE as the purgatory they had to endure to work with "their" kids.

Those with athletic ability were praised and encouraged, those with moderate athletic skills were considered acceptable, although no attempt was made to improve on their already existing skills, and the clumsy and unathletic were simply written off.

Can you imagine any algebra teacher who'd be allowed to conduct their classes like that?

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I had a couple of good ones, and some bad ones. The good ones were more into getting kids moving and active and having fun than in recruiting the next phenom for the football team, and were not resentful about having to teach unathletic kids.

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We have a great program at my school that integrates kids with disabilities in with kids without disabilities. The teachers doing that are amazing.

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In high school (which was a long, long time ago), I knew two sportsball coaches who were actually pretty damn intelligent. One was the schoolโ€™s athletics director and boysโ€™ basketball head coach, and the other was assistant coach and taught math.

Weirdly, the principal when I graduated was a tyrannical former Marine with a god complex.

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In my experience it isn't weird to find a principal with a god complex. I don't know how many principals I learned under or taught under, but I can name the two who I thought were valued educational leaders. The rest varied from "barely adequate" to "should be selling used cars."

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"a tyrannical former Marine with a god complex" = "former Marine"

Always be concise if you can! ;-)

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Apr 27ยทedited Apr 27

My former student Nate Fick has entered the chat ... [metaphorically ,as he has other things to do.]

https://www.state.gov/biographies/nathaniel-c-fick/

"Earlier in his career, he served as a Marine Corps infantry and reconnaissance officer, including combat tours in Afghanistan and Iraq. His book about that experience, One Bullet Away, was a New York Times bestseller, a Washington Post โ€œBest Book of the Year,โ€ and one of the Military Timesโ€˜s โ€œBest Military Books of the Decade.โ€ Ambassador Fick graduated with high honors in Classics from Dartmouth College and holds an MPA from the Harvard Kennedy School and an MBA from the Harvard Business School."

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I am good friends with a former Marine who shows no sign of a god complex, and is an empathetic and open-minded person. I have known other ex-marines who were just mellow barrels o'laughs. One must keep an open mind.

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Will this be the plot of the next Cohen brothersโ€™ movie?

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Would you see it?

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Depends on the actor playing the dumbass

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That Dune guy is in every fkn thing lately. Why not him?

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The actor that Josh Brolin wrote a poem about?

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AI is only marginally less stupid than its users.

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GIGO

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