I seriously doubt that even the clown posse that is the Republican majority in the House will be able to pass any articles of impeachment against Biden. Not one single Democrat will vote for it and there will surely be Republican defectors.
These idiots are on a suicide mission which I would normally applaud. But there is too much real work that has to get done. Have these yahoos learned nothing from Ohio yesterday? Apparently not? Their positions are deeply unpopular. And James Comer needs to be throat-punched. 10/10
They'll come home when they get hungry, much like anything else. I am a former farm person, and even with my limited experience with horses I feel I can speak with confidence on this.
They won’t be able to impeach. Not even in the House they control. You at least need some slight amount of evidence to get even a unanimous GOP vote. Biden built his reputation on being decent, and able to work with republicans. There will be several who won’t go along with a farce just for political revenge. Their strategy won’t even be impeachment, but rather months and months of impeachment hearings, each more pointless and useless than the last.
This will blow up badly for the gop. Transparently retaliatory impeachments aren’t a good use of time or government resources, and will only emphasize how warranted Trump’s double trouble was by comparison. This could be the incentive for an even stronger blue wave in 24 when these hearings prove embarrassing for the gop. All they have is, Joe knew Hunter was troubled, and that Hunter was earning money simply by being a Biden and selling his proximity to Joe. Did Joe ever promise any favoritism or political action in exchange for Hunter’s success? There is no evidence of that at all, thus far. Joe Biden isn’t corrupt and he isn’t a fool. He wasn’t going to undermine Hunter trying to earn money off the family name, but he wasn’t going to involve himself either. This isn’t going anywhere and nothing the GOP have even alleged is an impeachable offense.
they have that childish mindset that says 'if we do the big scary thing that was done to our guy to their guy, then the People will see how brave and smart we are' - not understanding that peoples outrage over Trumps impeachments mostly stem from the GOP fucking it up so he wasn't held accountable - J6 would never have happened if they had acted properly on the first impeachment
The really stupid part, if the emailgate non story the Republicans are trying to replicate had led to a finding of wrongdoing ahead of the general election, the investigation would have ended and the vast majority of the press would probably have never mentioned it again. So how do they think THIS is going to end?
Hunter Biden is a screwup who, as someone said, didn't peddle influence with his dad the VP to gain board seats and money - he peddled the ILLUSION of influence and the Burisma board bought it, hoping it had substance. I believe that even if Joe Biden was corrupt, he wouldn't be stupid enough to touch that situation with gloves and a hazmat mask, being a seasoned politician. His name's Biden, not Trump.
We only need five republicans from Biden districts to decide that they’re not going to fall on their swords for Trump and Mad Marge to put an end to this farce.
Democrats need to make it clear that any republicans from swing districts will get a shit ton of money poured into their opponent’s campaign if they vote for impeachment.
And also Qbert, because we almost took her down last time .
> CNN concedes that Republicans have “yet to corroborate” their “provocative allegation” that Biden > was involved in a pay-to-play scheme with his son, Hunter, while he was vice president
AHAHAAHAHAHAHA!! "Yet to corroborate"! HAHAHAHAHA!!! They haven't supported anything they've said with a smidgen of evidence since, I dunno, Bill Clinton?
Living up to the legacy of the name there, Kevin. Although the OG McCarthy seems to have been more successful in his pathetic attempt to remain relevant.
No Republican ever went politically broke betting on a bothsideist clickbait press.
I wouldn't snicker at the danger with the independents who decide elections and always feel virtuous when declaring poxes on both houses. They may not go for Trump but they may also not go for Biden, and in reddish/purplish states that absence can be enough to toss to Trump as the default.
This , of course is the lies that Dems like to push about independants. Most of us ar epeople who know that both major parties are corrupt with corpoatist money, but that does not mean we throw to the evil side. Yes, we throw a pox on the money, but when it comes to voting I know most of us vote for the more decent side, the Dems.
Most self styled independents now lean Right because declaring as a Democrat has become a mark of pride while voters who are still pretty consistently Republican in their choices want to distance from MAGA. They are the ones who flipped for Biden in 2020 to get rid of Trump but downvoted red to hamstring him. They will be the ones who again control the EC and they were whom I was referring to.
Meanwhile, I'm sorry but I can't respect a choice to not declare as a Democrat in our actual world now. Complaining bothsidedly about corporatism is a luxury from when democracy itself was not in danger and only the Democrats are still standing for it.
Did you trust a poll from the NY Times of the Washington Post from a poll of ''independents'' in a diner in he Midwest.?
It is 100% bullshit that more independents are really Republicans in hiding - or do you live in that diner? There are MANY more people like me who are never mentioned because it does not advantage the MSMs intentional boner for the Republicans.
And I am stating a FACT that many Dems are rich. Has always been that way.
Ever hear of one of the greatest presidents of all time? This very rich guy was named Franklin Delano Roosevelt. His family still makes all the dimes we use! Then there was that Kennedy guy whose criminal father was also rich and bought his son a Senate set in Massachusettes, which finally led to him being a Democartic presidient too. They own the 50¢ concession with the government
What I did not say that I often have is that I have been a progressive liberal all my life (fisrt voted for Carter in 1976) but I choose not to belong to any political party. I have almost always voted for the Dems, cause I do know that they are better that the Repubs.
I have known that Trump was a criminal back into the 1970s when much of the country didn't evem know about him and also when Trump was A DEMOCRAT.
>Trump was a registered Democrat from August 2001 through September 2009.<
I cannot respect a person that INSISTS I must be in a politicals party because that is the Amurican way and be in a party that Donald Trump was once in. I did not have to wory about being associated with him as I was not a Democrat.
But one thing I do see in the obnoxiousness of people in ALL political parties who disparage all indpendents as phonies because they see the party process in Amurica as the Holy Grail, and yet are only looking at the faux Grail-shaped beacon.
I am in no way complaining bothsidedly about corporatism as that would imply I am both liberal and conservative at the same time
I am bloody fuciking sure I am way more progressive than many people are and
I cannot respect a person who insists I must be in a the ''correct''political party like a certain German did in the 1930s.
I live in the real world of 2023... and 2024 coming up.
We Democrats, who vote in primaries to actually choose candidates and who run campaigns to elect them, will carry the water that you are too elevated to.
I think I live more in the real world than you do, as you clearly did not understand even the simplest truths that I have imparted.
I expect you will not read this, but for others here, what you have said is exactly why many people leave all sorts of political parties who want you to TOE THE LINE EXACTLY NO MATTER WHAT. Did you miss that Donald Trump was once a Democrat? Were YOU a Dem back then? I sure as fuck was not.
It is the right of all people to be able to vote, but that right does NOT force you to join any political party, which is what you insist I must do if I am to be able to carry your precious water, and that part proved that you are the one that thinks you are more elevated that I am - PRECIOUS water, my goodness, how well, precious...
I'm the first to admit I'm just a shlub who is way less elevated than most people in my town. I do not consider myself above anyone for the most part, except maybe people who want to think that I am above them, which I am not.
In general, in all the primaries I have not been in, the Dem that won was the one I would've picked. So that has never been as issue at all, as I then voted for that person.
One time in my liberal town, there was a lawyer who was known to be a nasty love 'em and leave 'em womaniser. He was NOT a sexual predator, just a real nasty jerk to women. He ran as a Dem against a TRUE liberal Republican, and even though the city and country are overwhelmingly (registered) Democratic, the liberal Republican won that election and even got a second term.
By your rubric, I imagine you would've carried the Dems water, no matter what, and every time a woman whom he had 'done wrong' walked away from him or did verbally oppose him (that did happen) you would've accused her of not being in the real world.
While I do not know your age, I suspect I have been in the real world longer than you, as you have not learned that forcing your ideas of politics on others is exactly where you LOSE voters, and not where you gain them.
I'm hoping the Republicans in Biden districts are at least politically sane enough to not even vote for this obvious sham. They don't even have specific allegations, much less any semblance of proof. Without them, they don't have the votes given their super slim majority.
Assuming it does go through, I hope the media will cover it as the nothingburger it is, but it is hard to count on them avoiding the both sides bullshit.
Yes, please let them try to peach-tree dish the president. Let them do that after failing to pass a budget or any of the other things they are theoretically supposed to be doing. I am looking forward to watching Qevin hand the gavel to Hakeem Jeffries in 2025.
When Democrats impeached Trump for the Ukraine extortion effort, they had real evidence and real witnesses to the high crime. There wasn't any confusion about it. How can you impeach somebody for a crime that you have no evidence for. This will just be a parade of bought and paid for "witnesses" and "whistleblowers." Dan Goldman will shred each and every one of them. They're just going to embarrass themselves. Biden isn't worried because he hasn't done anything wrong.
I seriously doubt that even the clown posse that is the Republican majority in the House will be able to pass any articles of impeachment against Biden. Not one single Democrat will vote for it and there will surely be Republican defectors.
These idiots are on a suicide mission which I would normally applaud. But there is too much real work that has to get done. Have these yahoos learned nothing from Ohio yesterday? Apparently not? Their positions are deeply unpopular. And James Comer needs to be throat-punched. 10/10
“Once the barn doors are open, so to speak, the horses are out…You’re not gonna get them back in the barn.”
Like ever, banished forever? I’m just a city person but that doesn’t sound right to me, I don’t think you know how to horse.
They'll come home when they get hungry, much like anything else. I am a former farm person, and even with my limited experience with horses I feel I can speak with confidence on this.
They won’t be able to impeach. Not even in the House they control. You at least need some slight amount of evidence to get even a unanimous GOP vote. Biden built his reputation on being decent, and able to work with republicans. There will be several who won’t go along with a farce just for political revenge. Their strategy won’t even be impeachment, but rather months and months of impeachment hearings, each more pointless and useless than the last.
This will blow up badly for the gop. Transparently retaliatory impeachments aren’t a good use of time or government resources, and will only emphasize how warranted Trump’s double trouble was by comparison. This could be the incentive for an even stronger blue wave in 24 when these hearings prove embarrassing for the gop. All they have is, Joe knew Hunter was troubled, and that Hunter was earning money simply by being a Biden and selling his proximity to Joe. Did Joe ever promise any favoritism or political action in exchange for Hunter’s success? There is no evidence of that at all, thus far. Joe Biden isn’t corrupt and he isn’t a fool. He wasn’t going to undermine Hunter trying to earn money off the family name, but he wasn’t going to involve himself either. This isn’t going anywhere and nothing the GOP have even alleged is an impeachable offense.
they have that childish mindset that says 'if we do the big scary thing that was done to our guy to their guy, then the People will see how brave and smart we are' - not understanding that peoples outrage over Trumps impeachments mostly stem from the GOP fucking it up so he wasn't held accountable - J6 would never have happened if they had acted properly on the first impeachment
The really stupid part, if the emailgate non story the Republicans are trying to replicate had led to a finding of wrongdoing ahead of the general election, the investigation would have ended and the vast majority of the press would probably have never mentioned it again. So how do they think THIS is going to end?
wow
Accusations alone warrant impeachment hearings?
So you can literally make something up, find no proof, and declare that as enough reason to proceed?
I am not surprised CNN is doing the "zomg only the 4th president ever!" bullshit either, Fox lite as they have become.
Hunter Biden is a screwup who, as someone said, didn't peddle influence with his dad the VP to gain board seats and money - he peddled the ILLUSION of influence and the Burisma board bought it, hoping it had substance. I believe that even if Joe Biden was corrupt, he wouldn't be stupid enough to touch that situation with gloves and a hazmat mask, being a seasoned politician. His name's Biden, not Trump.
I doubt he even peddled the illusion
They knew who his dad was. They knew that is why they hired him.
We only need five republicans from Biden districts to decide that they’re not going to fall on their swords for Trump and Mad Marge to put an end to this farce.
Democrats need to make it clear that any republicans from swing districts will get a shit ton of money poured into their opponent’s campaign if they vote for impeachment.
And also Qbert, because we almost took her down last time .
> CNN concedes that Republicans have “yet to corroborate” their “provocative allegation” that Biden > was involved in a pay-to-play scheme with his son, Hunter, while he was vice president
AHAHAAHAHAHAHA!! "Yet to corroborate"! HAHAHAHAHA!!! They haven't supported anything they've said with a smidgen of evidence since, I dunno, Bill Clinton?
Tbf, it’s hard to corroborate something they made up completely.
They only had 10 cc's worth then
Living up to the legacy of the name there, Kevin. Although the OG McCarthy seems to have been more successful in his pathetic attempt to remain relevant.
No Republican ever went politically broke betting on a bothsideist clickbait press.
I wouldn't snicker at the danger with the independents who decide elections and always feel virtuous when declaring poxes on both houses. They may not go for Trump but they may also not go for Biden, and in reddish/purplish states that absence can be enough to toss to Trump as the default.
This , of course is the lies that Dems like to push about independants. Most of us ar epeople who know that both major parties are corrupt with corpoatist money, but that does not mean we throw to the evil side. Yes, we throw a pox on the money, but when it comes to voting I know most of us vote for the more decent side, the Dems.
Most self styled independents now lean Right because declaring as a Democrat has become a mark of pride while voters who are still pretty consistently Republican in their choices want to distance from MAGA. They are the ones who flipped for Biden in 2020 to get rid of Trump but downvoted red to hamstring him. They will be the ones who again control the EC and they were whom I was referring to.
Meanwhile, I'm sorry but I can't respect a choice to not declare as a Democrat in our actual world now. Complaining bothsidedly about corporatism is a luxury from when democracy itself was not in danger and only the Democrats are still standing for it.
So we differ.
And your proof for this is where?
Did you trust a poll from the NY Times of the Washington Post from a poll of ''independents'' in a diner in he Midwest.?
It is 100% bullshit that more independents are really Republicans in hiding - or do you live in that diner? There are MANY more people like me who are never mentioned because it does not advantage the MSMs intentional boner for the Republicans.
And I am stating a FACT that many Dems are rich. Has always been that way.
Ever hear of one of the greatest presidents of all time? This very rich guy was named Franklin Delano Roosevelt. His family still makes all the dimes we use! Then there was that Kennedy guy whose criminal father was also rich and bought his son a Senate set in Massachusettes, which finally led to him being a Democartic presidient too. They own the 50¢ concession with the government
What I did not say that I often have is that I have been a progressive liberal all my life (fisrt voted for Carter in 1976) but I choose not to belong to any political party. I have almost always voted for the Dems, cause I do know that they are better that the Repubs.
I have known that Trump was a criminal back into the 1970s when much of the country didn't evem know about him and also when Trump was A DEMOCRAT.
>Trump was a registered Democrat from August 2001 through September 2009.<
I cannot respect a person that INSISTS I must be in a politicals party because that is the Amurican way and be in a party that Donald Trump was once in. I did not have to wory about being associated with him as I was not a Democrat.
But one thing I do see in the obnoxiousness of people in ALL political parties who disparage all indpendents as phonies because they see the party process in Amurica as the Holy Grail, and yet are only looking at the faux Grail-shaped beacon.
I am in no way complaining bothsidedly about corporatism as that would imply I am both liberal and conservative at the same time
I am bloody fuciking sure I am way more progressive than many people are and
I cannot respect a person who insists I must be in a the ''correct''political party like a certain German did in the 1930s.
I live in the real world of 2023... and 2024 coming up.
We Democrats, who vote in primaries to actually choose candidates and who run campaigns to elect them, will carry the water that you are too elevated to.
Done on this.
I think I live more in the real world than you do, as you clearly did not understand even the simplest truths that I have imparted.
I expect you will not read this, but for others here, what you have said is exactly why many people leave all sorts of political parties who want you to TOE THE LINE EXACTLY NO MATTER WHAT. Did you miss that Donald Trump was once a Democrat? Were YOU a Dem back then? I sure as fuck was not.
It is the right of all people to be able to vote, but that right does NOT force you to join any political party, which is what you insist I must do if I am to be able to carry your precious water, and that part proved that you are the one that thinks you are more elevated that I am - PRECIOUS water, my goodness, how well, precious...
I'm the first to admit I'm just a shlub who is way less elevated than most people in my town. I do not consider myself above anyone for the most part, except maybe people who want to think that I am above them, which I am not.
In general, in all the primaries I have not been in, the Dem that won was the one I would've picked. So that has never been as issue at all, as I then voted for that person.
One time in my liberal town, there was a lawyer who was known to be a nasty love 'em and leave 'em womaniser. He was NOT a sexual predator, just a real nasty jerk to women. He ran as a Dem against a TRUE liberal Republican, and even though the city and country are overwhelmingly (registered) Democratic, the liberal Republican won that election and even got a second term.
By your rubric, I imagine you would've carried the Dems water, no matter what, and every time a woman whom he had 'done wrong' walked away from him or did verbally oppose him (that did happen) you would've accused her of not being in the real world.
While I do not know your age, I suspect I have been in the real world longer than you, as you have not learned that forcing your ideas of politics on others is exactly where you LOSE voters, and not where you gain them.
Rest assured that you have shown yourself and your priorities most fully...
I'm hoping the Republicans in Biden districts are at least politically sane enough to not even vote for this obvious sham. They don't even have specific allegations, much less any semblance of proof. Without them, they don't have the votes given their super slim majority.
Assuming it does go through, I hope the media will cover it as the nothingburger it is, but it is hard to count on them avoiding the both sides bullshit.
- They already showed on the budget that they will not break ranks.
- I hope that Junior's cheesecake will be a weight loss aid. It has a similar chance of happening.
- Sigh...
So as a response to impeaching their clown they will generate a clown impeachment.
Yes, please let them try to peach-tree dish the president. Let them do that after failing to pass a budget or any of the other things they are theoretically supposed to be doing. I am looking forward to watching Qevin hand the gavel to Hakeem Jeffries in 2025.
Where some guy told someone he thought he saw smoke, there's fire.
Man , this will land with the same thud as Devon Archer’s testimony. Would you like some mustard on that nothing-burger?
When Democrats impeached Trump for the Ukraine extortion effort, they had real evidence and real witnesses to the high crime. There wasn't any confusion about it. How can you impeach somebody for a crime that you have no evidence for. This will just be a parade of bought and paid for "witnesses" and "whistleblowers." Dan Goldman will shred each and every one of them. They're just going to embarrass themselves. Biden isn't worried because he hasn't done anything wrong.
Biden is probably getting creme de la creme legal advice, too. Staying out of it and keeping his eye on the prize is certainly a wiser strategy.
That might be my favorite quality of his. He doesn't engage with any of their nonsense. Just quietly getting sh*t done