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Roger Merritt's avatar

> Natural dissipation of C02 would not occur for a millennium after fossil fuel combustion was markedly reduced.

This is the real problem. We haven't even begun to reduce the amount of CO2, and the greenhouse effect is going to continue until the CO2 dissipates. It's going to get worse, faster, until it stabilizes. The thing is, the process is slow. It started 250 years ago. It's going to keep going for at least another hundred years. I'll be dead and gone before average temperature is 3 degrees C above preindustrial levels, but it will happen before the end of this century -- and will keep going after that. We don't think in terms of millenia, or even centuries. 5 years is a long time. 20 years is a generation. 50 years is ancient history. I think mankind will move underground, but I'll bet it won't happen until half the current global population is dead.

RRJKR's avatar

Jimmy Carter. The most moral man to ever hold the office.

Kira Thomsen-Cheek's avatar

What a lovely piece, Dok! Also tres informative. I was totally under the initial misapprehensions you've laid out.

I am not quite as sanguine as you about our transition to renewable energy (in time), however.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/10/5/2197624/-What-the-Hell-Just-Happened

Suze the Witch's avatar

Wonderful, Doc, thank you.

Zyxomma's avatar

Ta, Dok. I voted for Jimmy Carter twice, wished him happy birthday on the first of this month, and shall admire him always. I loathed and detested Ronnie Raygun, and wished I believed in the hell he deserves to be roasting in for all eternity.

Derek Smith's avatar

Peter Gabriel, at his I/O Tour concert at Madison Square Garden this past Sept 18th, had everybody sing Happy Birthday to President Carter. He then closed the show with Biko.

alice jena's avatar

The only time I voted Republican was for Ford and against Carter...I do not regret that. Ford was decent. Carter is a religious fanatic and not a great friend to those who do not believe in his beliefs

Revenant's avatar

and I fart in your general direction too

Debra Dassow's avatar

Just listened to a NYT Daily podcast on Mosquitos. Climate change is affecting the increased breeding opportunities for these most dangerous insects. Sounds trivial but it is not.

Kira Thomsen-Cheek's avatar

Not trivial AT ALL.

Ticks are also moving north in response to warming temps. And that's not trivial, either.

Kira Thomsen-Cheek's avatar

OMG, had one of those in the living room a couple of nights ago, and had forgotten how creepy they look. (I'm a bug fan, too.)

Birb-General of the US's avatar

This is personal for me. I was an engineer working in a "beltway bandit" on a visionary solar energy energy demonstration program funded by the government in 1980. The very morning after the election, all thirty of us were told to clean out our desks. Although it would be months before Carter left office, this was a loss-leader for the company, and the managers knew there would be no further contracts in renewable energy for at least the next four years, and understandably decided to cut their losses. I was generously transferred to the military submarine cable testing division, which I abandoned after fulfilling my two weeks notice. I was so distraught, I did not pursue any work in solar energy . . . until today! I just completed the first day of a five day photovoltaic training course. I am near retirement, but I decided that I would rather end my career working in the field of my lifelong vision instead of what I have been doing.

Concerning Carter, even the most thoughtful people of that time did not recognize we would be running out of air before we ran out of fossil fuels, which is essentially what is causing this problem. And he was also the last president to have advanced education in a scientific field, something that we have otherwise been badly lacking.

Robert Eckert's avatar

Carter: Nuclear engineer

Clinton: Rhodes Scholar at Oxford

Obama: President of Harvard Law Review

Trump: Can distinguish drawings of an elephant and a camel

Kira Thomsen-Cheek's avatar

SNORT! :-)

Also too -

Trump: Can distinguish drawings of an elephant and a camel (barely)

Jensie's avatar

We are all living in a real-life horror movie in which the people in charge refuse to listen to the scientists

Tina Mouse's avatar

Al Gore ran for President and America elected a corrupt trust fund rapist who lived off oil money.

GH Swell's avatar

“ (As any fan of alternative history knows, though, the result probably would be nuclear war or murderous giant spiders from outer space.)”

We got Donald Trump. We ARE in the bad timeline.

Kira Thomsen-Cheek's avatar

Well, like Dok said. Murderous giant spiders from outer space. ;-)

Wait. He's NOT?

Secret Agent Super Dragon's avatar

The Cubs winning the World Series broke the timeline, everybody knows it

1st light's avatar

So Russia invading Ukraine was a great blessing, except for the Ukrainians. Renewable energy development increased exponentially, lots of wind and solar and other energies. The people who will starve because Ukraine's crops are blocked also don't do so well, but non-fossil fuel energy is doing great!!

willi0000000's avatar

i'm still pissed at the military!

Q. how many choppers do we need for the rescue?

A. two.

Q. should we send a spare, or two?

A. nah, those things never break down.

tegrat's avatar

Hydrothermal/geothermal sure seems like a winning tech I hope it gets more attention.

1st light's avatar

I always wondered why geothermal wasn't used more. Couldn't Arkansas do a lot with their Hot Springs??

Anti-Social Socialist's avatar

Don't talk about Sarah that way!

el duderino's avatar

Even though climate change wasn’t his top priority, let’s give Carter credit for taking action to mitigate the impacts of coal. Without his leadership, we never would have had the Surface Mining and Reclamation Act or the Clean Air Act Amendments if 1977, which was the first serious effort to reduce acid rain