I didn't even own a suit until like my mid-30s because I was desperate for a job. 20 bucks at the Brown Elephant (Thrift Shop) for an interview at a job where they ALMOST didn't hire me BECAUSE I wore a suit. That office was a bit more casual, so wearing a suit made them think I didn't "get" their values/culture and wouldn't fit in with the team.
You really have to research the places you apply to. The days of wearing a suit+tie being an automatic plus are over. For some companies, it makes more sense to dress like you already work there, because they are never going to ask you to put on a suit.
I’ve never been to DC but is it not famously a swamp? Like, doesn’t it get to be 8 zillion degrees with 100% humidex? How sadistic is it to make people show up in a three piece suit? Also, didn’t Sen. Duckworth need to find her newborn a jacket to go on the floor? And no one thought it was batshit? For a rule that is UNSPOKEN?
But I am from a place where a football or hockey jersey is formal attire.
I don’t THINK it’s the same place as Fetterman but he’d fit in here. We have weed. We like Gritty.
I work in the DC area. Until the pandemic, we were in slacks and button-downs. Once the lockdowns started, those of us who still had to come to the office were told to relax down to jeans and polos. Even after everyone came back to work, they didn't reinflate the dress code. I like to think it's because they realize we're more productive when we're happy and comfortable, but it was probably just because they don't want to deal with all the whining.
One administration at the state agency I worked for was pretty relaxed about enforcing the dress code. The next administration came in and cracked down. Dressing professionally, they argued, resulted in people behaving professionally.
We pointed out that the people in the previous administration who required the phone banks to lie to the public to cover up the administration's incompetence dressed just like the people giving us the professional bullshit line.
It might shock you to know that most ATC folks (especially in the warmer climates) wear shorts, T-shirts, and sandals to work. It's all about competency, and comfort facilitates that. We work in a dark room with no windows where the public is not allowed. Keeping the flying public safe 100% of the time is ALL that matters. End. Of. Story. When the FAA instituted a strict dress code, operational errors went up 10 fold ...... shitty work environment with unhappy, overworked workers, will do that. The next contract rescinded managements power grab.....
The state agency I worked for was obsessed with appropriate footwear. We worked behind bullet-resistant glass doors with magnetic locks that required keycards for access. Our interactions with the public were by mail, email, and phone.
But you couldn't wear athletic shoes in the office, so those with a trek from where they parked got into the office and changed into "work" shoes, changing back at the end of the day.
When management instituted their dress code it stated' long pants, collared shirts, and no sandals' I asked about the female controllers attire. Were they allowed to wear open toed sandals and skirts? "Of course.....proper business attire". I promptly started wearing a polo shirt, sport kilt and 'dress' sandals........management was NOT pleased. This argument went all the way up the E.E.O. chain of command. No decision was reached by 2 years later and the new contract made the point moot.......I retired with a letter of reprimand for not wearing socks with my sandals still in my file......badge of honor.
Does anyone remember her kilt style little skirt and tights? She was wearing it the night she did a little curtsy and voted against the $15 minimum wage? Or was I hallucinating?
Good! I've always been more than a little disgusted by the fact that the ostensible representatives of *all* the people in this country have been expected to wear the uniform of upper-management businessmen (and that includes the women). According to conservative scolds, business suits are the only kind of professional attire in existence, which ignores the fact that the vast majority of Americans are not corporate executives.
If they want to insist on professional attire, then I want to see Reps and Senators in stained jumpsuits with name patches. I want to see them in cheap polo shirts and khakis. I want to see them in ugly little vests with matching visors. I want to see them in scrubs. I want to see them ratty t-shirts, jeans, and tennis shoes, stained greenish-brown from the knees down. I want to see them in comfortable, durable clothes appropriate to a long day of mopping floors, scrubbing toilets, and generally cleaning up the messes left behind by people in business suits. I want to see at least one Senator go full Hot Topic goth (but not Sinema, because she's terrible), complete with makeup and a collar. I want to see Senator Chicken-legs Hawley dressed up like he's got the kind of date that involves him going home with an envelope full of cash at the end.
One or two members from each house, the richest and least likeable of the lot, may wear business suits. The rest, if they want to represent the people of this country (and not just the owners), better start wearing appropriate professional attire.
They should all be issued jerseys with their names on it and the appropriate colour for their party. This will facilitate counting votes, help people identify one wrinkly old balls white dude from another, and, in certain cases, help the senators remember their own names if this is a personal pain point. For people like Sinema and Manchin it would be a visual cue of which party they belong to, because they appear to be slow learners.
They can express their personality by wearing pieces of flare on their jerseys. Minimum 5 pieces of flare. Only one piece of flare may be an American flag pin and each piece of flare must be unique. In winter they can wear a Carhartt brown beanie and they may put flare on the beanie instead of the jersey.
In June both sides must wear special Pride jerseys and tutus.
As I've noted, Congress members wore suits and ties back when the average person wore suits and ties to a ball game. It was not a more elevated form of dress (they weren't in black tie).
Business casual was the norm at most companies (excluding upper management) 30 years ago and now that is even phasing out.
I’m on my front porch screaming (metaphorically so my Repub neighbors don’t come at me.) JYM JORDAN. !!! Has anyone made the comparison? And why would Q or whatever make up a body double myth for Fetterman?
As a doctor and a lawyer - fields where dress is an issue - I've got mixed feelings.
Doctors often get away with comfort garb by wearing scrubs but those actually are not earned unless you are doing surgery or messy procedures. If not, a very long day can be spent stuck in a tie or a constricting bra (seriously - I wear a sports bra and the best part of life is still getting that thing off !) and blouse because the principle is that patients need to see someone who may hold their life in their hands as a subject of respect.
Law firms have "casual Friday" but the clothes are still the pretty not-comfortable "business casual" because the firm wants to maintain a respectable atmosphere. There may be some change as people who worked remotely in their PJ's and found that they were more productive when comfortable return to offices, but I wouldn't expect going The Full Fetterman.
I wouldn't personally care if a brilliant doctor was in her Flashdance sweat top or the lawyer who could solve my serious problem was wearing his jeans, but people generally do care. They want someone who "looks like" a doctor or a lawyer.
I guess that I feel that way about Senators. When you come to the floor or are otherwise acting formally, dress the part. The rest of the time, hoodies for all if they want them!
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BTW - up until recently the sleeveless dresses that Greene favors were barred. Just noting...
In matters related to clothing, men have it easier than women in almost every conceivable way. But buttoning a dress shirt up to the neck, threading a tie through a button-down collar and tying the tie are still a pain in the ass. Plus suits can be terribly uncomfortable and constricting unless they fit perfectly, and gaining (or losing) a few pounds is enough to spoil the fit.
What I'm saying is that if a stroke victim with limited mobility doesn't want to spend a lot of effort and energy wrestling his way into a business suit every morning, accommodating that should be NBD.
What I'm really saying is they're snarking on Fetterman for having had a stroke. The same way they endlessly snark on Biden for being old.
The company I worked for before I retired was started by someone who said (only half-jokingly) that he wanted to work somewhere that he could wear shorts to work everyday if he wanted to.
I could have worn shorts everyday if I wanted to (as long as I wasn't working at a customer site), but somehow I couldn't bring myself to wear shorts. I did have a hoodie at the office in case I got cold.
It's the Gym Teacher Guy brand. They always got a pass in schools on the teachers' standards because their attire had to handle a different type of functionality.
In my high school days, it was still ties for all men except the phys ed teacher. The tie, of course, was integral to conveying algebraic concepts.
I didn't even own a suit until like my mid-30s because I was desperate for a job. 20 bucks at the Brown Elephant (Thrift Shop) for an interview at a job where they ALMOST didn't hire me BECAUSE I wore a suit. That office was a bit more casual, so wearing a suit made them think I didn't "get" their values/culture and wouldn't fit in with the team.
You really have to research the places you apply to. The days of wearing a suit+tie being an automatic plus are over. For some companies, it makes more sense to dress like you already work there, because they are never going to ask you to put on a suit.
I’ve never been to DC but is it not famously a swamp? Like, doesn’t it get to be 8 zillion degrees with 100% humidex? How sadistic is it to make people show up in a three piece suit? Also, didn’t Sen. Duckworth need to find her newborn a jacket to go on the floor? And no one thought it was batshit? For a rule that is UNSPOKEN?
But I am from a place where a football or hockey jersey is formal attire.
I don’t THINK it’s the same place as Fetterman but he’d fit in here. We have weed. We like Gritty.
I work in the DC area. Until the pandemic, we were in slacks and button-downs. Once the lockdowns started, those of us who still had to come to the office were told to relax down to jeans and polos. Even after everyone came back to work, they didn't reinflate the dress code. I like to think it's because they realize we're more productive when we're happy and comfortable, but it was probably just because they don't want to deal with all the whining.
😂
One administration at the state agency I worked for was pretty relaxed about enforcing the dress code. The next administration came in and cracked down. Dressing professionally, they argued, resulted in people behaving professionally.
We pointed out that the people in the previous administration who required the phone banks to lie to the public to cover up the administration's incompetence dressed just like the people giving us the professional bullshit line.
It might shock you to know that most ATC folks (especially in the warmer climates) wear shorts, T-shirts, and sandals to work. It's all about competency, and comfort facilitates that. We work in a dark room with no windows where the public is not allowed. Keeping the flying public safe 100% of the time is ALL that matters. End. Of. Story. When the FAA instituted a strict dress code, operational errors went up 10 fold ...... shitty work environment with unhappy, overworked workers, will do that. The next contract rescinded managements power grab.....
The state agency I worked for was obsessed with appropriate footwear. We worked behind bullet-resistant glass doors with magnetic locks that required keycards for access. Our interactions with the public were by mail, email, and phone.
But you couldn't wear athletic shoes in the office, so those with a trek from where they parked got into the office and changed into "work" shoes, changing back at the end of the day.
When management instituted their dress code it stated' long pants, collared shirts, and no sandals' I asked about the female controllers attire. Were they allowed to wear open toed sandals and skirts? "Of course.....proper business attire". I promptly started wearing a polo shirt, sport kilt and 'dress' sandals........management was NOT pleased. This argument went all the way up the E.E.O. chain of command. No decision was reached by 2 years later and the new contract made the point moot.......I retired with a letter of reprimand for not wearing socks with my sandals still in my file......badge of honor.
Does anyone remember her kilt style little skirt and tights? She was wearing it the night she did a little curtsy and voted against the $15 minimum wage? Or was I hallucinating?
Kristen Sinema dresses like an updated Lollipop Kid. Did anyone catch the lemon yellow frock with gigantic flared out sleeves.
She dresses like an eight year girl thinks adults dress.
Good! I've always been more than a little disgusted by the fact that the ostensible representatives of *all* the people in this country have been expected to wear the uniform of upper-management businessmen (and that includes the women). According to conservative scolds, business suits are the only kind of professional attire in existence, which ignores the fact that the vast majority of Americans are not corporate executives.
If they want to insist on professional attire, then I want to see Reps and Senators in stained jumpsuits with name patches. I want to see them in cheap polo shirts and khakis. I want to see them in ugly little vests with matching visors. I want to see them in scrubs. I want to see them ratty t-shirts, jeans, and tennis shoes, stained greenish-brown from the knees down. I want to see them in comfortable, durable clothes appropriate to a long day of mopping floors, scrubbing toilets, and generally cleaning up the messes left behind by people in business suits. I want to see at least one Senator go full Hot Topic goth (but not Sinema, because she's terrible), complete with makeup and a collar. I want to see Senator Chicken-legs Hawley dressed up like he's got the kind of date that involves him going home with an envelope full of cash at the end.
One or two members from each house, the richest and least likeable of the lot, may wear business suits. The rest, if they want to represent the people of this country (and not just the owners), better start wearing appropriate professional attire.
They should all be issued jerseys with their names on it and the appropriate colour for their party. This will facilitate counting votes, help people identify one wrinkly old balls white dude from another, and, in certain cases, help the senators remember their own names if this is a personal pain point. For people like Sinema and Manchin it would be a visual cue of which party they belong to, because they appear to be slow learners.
They can express their personality by wearing pieces of flare on their jerseys. Minimum 5 pieces of flare. Only one piece of flare may be an American flag pin and each piece of flare must be unique. In winter they can wear a Carhartt brown beanie and they may put flare on the beanie instead of the jersey.
In June both sides must wear special Pride jerseys and tutus.
As I've noted, Congress members wore suits and ties back when the average person wore suits and ties to a ball game. It was not a more elevated form of dress (they weren't in black tie).
Business casual was the norm at most companies (excluding upper management) 30 years ago and now that is even phasing out.
I’m on my front porch screaming (metaphorically so my Repub neighbors don’t come at me.) JYM JORDAN. !!! Has anyone made the comparison? And why would Q or whatever make up a body double myth for Fetterman?
Susan Collins Concern Levels .Gif
I wish Fetterman would campaign for Biden in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Ohio every day.
As a doctor and a lawyer - fields where dress is an issue - I've got mixed feelings.
Doctors often get away with comfort garb by wearing scrubs but those actually are not earned unless you are doing surgery or messy procedures. If not, a very long day can be spent stuck in a tie or a constricting bra (seriously - I wear a sports bra and the best part of life is still getting that thing off !) and blouse because the principle is that patients need to see someone who may hold their life in their hands as a subject of respect.
Law firms have "casual Friday" but the clothes are still the pretty not-comfortable "business casual" because the firm wants to maintain a respectable atmosphere. There may be some change as people who worked remotely in their PJ's and found that they were more productive when comfortable return to offices, but I wouldn't expect going The Full Fetterman.
I wouldn't personally care if a brilliant doctor was in her Flashdance sweat top or the lawyer who could solve my serious problem was wearing his jeans, but people generally do care. They want someone who "looks like" a doctor or a lawyer.
I guess that I feel that way about Senators. When you come to the floor or are otherwise acting formally, dress the part. The rest of the time, hoodies for all if they want them!
***
BTW - up until recently the sleeveless dresses that Greene favors were barred. Just noting...
You're a doctor AND a lawyer?
I'm a Jewish mother's dream child... ;)
I practiced medicine and then went to law school and now do plaintiff-side medical malpractice.
and an Indian chief!
In matters related to clothing, men have it easier than women in almost every conceivable way. But buttoning a dress shirt up to the neck, threading a tie through a button-down collar and tying the tie are still a pain in the ass. Plus suits can be terribly uncomfortable and constricting unless they fit perfectly, and gaining (or losing) a few pounds is enough to spoil the fit.
What I'm saying is that if a stroke victim with limited mobility doesn't want to spend a lot of effort and energy wrestling his way into a business suit every morning, accommodating that should be NBD.
What I'm really saying is they're snarking on Fetterman for having had a stroke. The same way they endlessly snark on Biden for being old.
Because they FUCKING HAVE NOTHING ELSE.
Plus, as pointed out, he is 6'8" and never fit well into suits to begin with
I'm more worried about their ethics than their dress code.
The company I worked for before I retired was started by someone who said (only half-jokingly) that he wanted to work somewhere that he could wear shorts to work everyday if he wanted to.
I could have worn shorts everyday if I wanted to (as long as I wasn't working at a customer site), but somehow I couldn't bring myself to wear shorts. I did have a hoodie at the office in case I got cold.
Congressional dress codes went to shit long ago with Gym Jordumb and his unbuttoned not fitting shirt loose tie and no suit coat look. https://www.baltimoresun.com/resizer/DaMyCTBroFojLlb0CtoQDoWW3uE=/1200x0/top/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-tronc.s3.amazonaws.com/public/7N2WELF32ZFNHN2M2RQN5EMKEQ.jpg
It's the Gym Teacher Guy brand. They always got a pass in schools on the teachers' standards because their attire had to handle a different type of functionality.
In my high school days, it was still ties for all men except the phys ed teacher. The tie, of course, was integral to conveying algebraic concepts.
Susan Collins' bikini is made of wet-look pleather. She smells like the inside of a new car. Not sexy.
She’s from Maine so there’s probably some crustacean scented air freshener in there too.