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Crip Dyke's avatar

Cool that they're using iron-air batteries at the new Minnesota solar farm. Those things are WAY too heavy to use in cars (made of iron, people), but they're cheap and use no rare components that might require child labor in Africa or some shit. Ethical, sustainable, recyclable, and while they don't charge and discharge super quickly and are (as previously mentioned) heavy as hell, in these applications where they sit motionless on the ground they are just the fucking thing.

For those keeping track, the "next up" tech for grid and marine is calcium batteries. Now calcium isn't particularly heavy, but you have to understand that Lithium is the 3rd lightest element that there is, and the absolute lightest of any solid element (at least at useful temperatures and pressures). So calcium won't replace lithium in car batteries soon, but they're light enough to do so eventually, while having all of the advantages of iron batteries I've listed above except ease of recycling (they will still be recycled, but it is not as easy) PLUS the ability to charge and discharge quickly.

Different kinds of batteries for different applications is the point. Tesla wants you to pay extra for super-light batteries optimized for mobile applications instead of long lifetimes, ethical production, sustainability, and cheap prices even when those batteries will be sitting in one place for the next 10 years connected to your dishwasher. And because there was money to be made in super-mobile applications like cell phones and cars, the R&D priority on lithium ion batteries made sense and has given them a huge head start.

But lithium-ion was never the best battery for every application, and we're starting to see the alternatives hit genuine mass production. Honestly, this is the best energy news we've had in about 7 years.

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Oh, I should probably note that, for length, I haven't really gone into some finer points here and there, but that for the most part, the linked stories cover most details you might have questions about.

One point I really loved from the Volts interview: Liebreich also points out that we can (mostly) dismiss worries that we simply can't mine enough minerals for all the batteries we'll need, at least outside temporary bottlenecks. One reason is that oil and gas and coal already use a lot of the minerals that could go into batteries of various designs.

Another is that within 30-40 years, battery (and other) recycling should be sufficient to provide around 95% of the materials needed for new applications, meaning new mining can be relatively minimal. No such efficiency when you're always digging up more fossil fuels to burn.

But no answers about how that washing machine got there, sorry. Like the watermelon in the lab in Buckaroo Banzai, it must forever remain a mystery. You could write fan fiction about it.

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