Seriously, if being hurt about something makes you choose the GOP and Trump you weren't going to vote Dem no matter what you say. Anyone who's thought process is "I'll chose shit on a shingle from the guy that lies and fakes liking me over the guy offering steak and hard truths" you aren't being rational but being spiteful. How can you reason or work with spiteful? How can you compromise with someone who'd rather burn everything than feel lesser than in any sort of way (even if the insult is only in their head)?
We keep hearing we just need to be *NICE* to these people and they'll vote for us but decades of that advice has shown negligible results. Also, the calls for this NEVER tell rural voters to stop being stereotypical about city dwellers or liberals; they're just supposed to put up with the abuse and nastiness. Maybe because it sounds like an abusive relationship: "If you don't respect and love me they way I demand, I'll destroy you. Give it to me and I'll still slap you around because I'm not going to change."
Dems are the ONLY Party who cares about rural people, or just people, period. It’s not that they don’t. It’s about the perception that they don’t, by those rural people. As far as the issues that these folks pay attention to, you gotta think smaller.
Farmers may take up land, but are not the majority of people living in rural settings. Farm workers out here are migrant workers and farmers here don’t consider them anything but slave labor they hope they can keep exploiting. Everyone else coming across the border are seen as money and resource drains.
Drugs are a big issue here. These people already think that’s a job for the police, rather than education, opportunity, mental health, or regulation. They just don’t like methlabs in their backyards and meth heads stealing their stuff. Access to healthcare requires more hospitals. That’s a resource that’s lacking. They are used to it. As long as someone pays to get them only what they absolutely need, and don’t forget those pain meds, then they don’t care.
Again, they don’t know what they don’t have or should have because of poor education and propaganda that tells them otherwise. They don’t always recognize it as a thing they need until they need it and don’t have it. If we give it to them before they need it, they don’t credit us. If we get them it afterwards, in a way they can feel, they still don’t credit us. Again, because we aren’t effective enough in countering the grievance propaganda. The Republican propaganda drowns it all out and makes their other feelings stronger than the ones we give them in the form of real life assistance.
As to their valid grievances and what I think makes them more susceptible to that propaganda… in my county, one end is experiencing urban sprawl and slowly growing resources. The other end, my end, is untouched and even the resources from the other end don’t get shared with us. Meanwhile, property taxes went up. We are paying like we are benefiting from the growth on the other end, but haven’t yet.
Developers are being permitted to build without being tasked to pay fees to help beef up the infrastructure that additional people will burden. Water, waste management, schools, traffic, maintenance, etc. are not growing in step with the developing. Neither are jobs. And people who have relied upon the established local governments (generations of good ol’ boys) don’t know that it’s they who are allowing this. They vote them in continuously, because Republican messaging is effective.
How can this be Dem’s fault? It’s not. But they look at the better-off neighbors up the road in the other end of the county and see all the nice things Dems are helping everyone get, and those nice things look much nicer there, almost like they got extra nice things and we didn’t. That’s where the equity issue sits. We roll out nice things for everyone, assuming it will make the biggest difference for poor folks who need them most. If they do, and they attribute them to us, they like us. If they do, but they are still disheartened by the perception that we are only giving them scraps because look at the guys up the street and how much more they got done with it, then they just listen to Republican grievance propaganda. They feel ignored, judged, intentionally exploited, and their only source of pride is their ability to have survived independently of resources. Rugged individualism (from their perceived negligent but overbearing parents… Dems). Short of putting all our focus on just reaching some equity in these areas so that they get to gain better perspective, and get to benefit more from our help than their wealthier neighbors appear to be, then the only option is to change our messaging strategy with them.
I'm a rural voter. I'm irreligious. I'm a staunch supporter of abortion. However, many people would say I can't be reasoned with, so you've got me there.
"Again, because we aren’t effective enough in countering the grievance propaganda. The Republican propaganda drowns it all out and makes their other feelings stronger than the ones we give them in the form of real life assistance....the only option is to change our messaging strategy with them."
There it is in a nutshell. RWNJ media, including social media, is at the root. The repubs have no shame about manipulating their voters with propaganda. Democrats apparently do. I don't want Democrats to start lying like repubs but the truth is our messaging stinks and I'm convinced we can do better.
The ex and I were invited to a wedding "event" consisting of three days' partying at a dude ranch on Flathead Lake. I said I'd go if he'd rent a car and take me around the "neighborhood" which was Glacier National Park, Yellowstone, Ten Sleep Canyon, Custer State Park, Devil's Tower, Deadwood, Mt. Rushmore, Crazy Horse Memorial, a visit to my friends in Mission SD adjacent to Rosbud Reservation, an unplanned trip to Niobrara Wildlife Refuge, and The Badlands. It was glorious. He knew of my desire to see the glaciers before they disappear.
Montana deregulated their power system 20 years ago per standard rethug policy. Ask them how well it worked for them. All they got was a really big bill when locals no longer controlled power production along with a really big hole in the ground with a really big puddle of acid at the bottom when mining jobs disappeared due to - wait for it- THE HIGH COST OF POWER! when you got to Montana trying to talk to locals I suggesst you maybe ask if they want to do this all over again, unless they have memory holed it.
Bullock ignores that Republicans are beating Democrats like him, while dismissing “New York values” and “coastal elites.”Coastal elites like long-time New York City resident Rush Limbaugh, and native San Franciscan Tucker Carlson?
Easier to say they're all a bunch of toothless sister fuckers. There's no difference between farmers in Iowa, rednecks in Texas, Bubbas in Georgia, or Hillbillies in Tennessee. They're apparently all the same.
AOC won her seat in large part because the old incumbent never went back home to his district. Unless it was for a money beg. We all know this. It was no secret. She knew what the district and it's people needed and wanted because she was there.
Extend that past the interparty stuff.
If we're not there, we can't win. I'd we're not there, we'll always be out of touch. If we're not there, every day, we get no trust or benefit of the doubt.
I'm not talking about reaching the MAGAts. Fuck them. They're lost causes. But not everyone rural is a MAGAt and their wants and needs are different than the average city dwellers.
Case in point. The right to repair is a huge thing for almost everyone I know in the country. It doesn't even matter what rural region they're from, it's a big deal. Know anyone else who cares about that or even has a clue what it's about? That one is an easy fix we could do that materially improves their lives. That we can then hammer on. But we won't.
The "karendemic"
Nope, he's talking about coded language.
Seriously, if being hurt about something makes you choose the GOP and Trump you weren't going to vote Dem no matter what you say. Anyone who's thought process is "I'll chose shit on a shingle from the guy that lies and fakes liking me over the guy offering steak and hard truths" you aren't being rational but being spiteful. How can you reason or work with spiteful? How can you compromise with someone who'd rather burn everything than feel lesser than in any sort of way (even if the insult is only in their head)?
We keep hearing we just need to be *NICE* to these people and they'll vote for us but decades of that advice has shown negligible results. Also, the calls for this NEVER tell rural voters to stop being stereotypical about city dwellers or liberals; they're just supposed to put up with the abuse and nastiness. Maybe because it sounds like an abusive relationship: "If you don't respect and love me they way I demand, I'll destroy you. Give it to me and I'll still slap you around because I'm not going to change."
Dems are the ONLY Party who cares about rural people, or just people, period. It’s not that they don’t. It’s about the perception that they don’t, by those rural people. As far as the issues that these folks pay attention to, you gotta think smaller.
Farmers may take up land, but are not the majority of people living in rural settings. Farm workers out here are migrant workers and farmers here don’t consider them anything but slave labor they hope they can keep exploiting. Everyone else coming across the border are seen as money and resource drains.
Drugs are a big issue here. These people already think that’s a job for the police, rather than education, opportunity, mental health, or regulation. They just don’t like methlabs in their backyards and meth heads stealing their stuff. Access to healthcare requires more hospitals. That’s a resource that’s lacking. They are used to it. As long as someone pays to get them only what they absolutely need, and don’t forget those pain meds, then they don’t care.
Again, they don’t know what they don’t have or should have because of poor education and propaganda that tells them otherwise. They don’t always recognize it as a thing they need until they need it and don’t have it. If we give it to them before they need it, they don’t credit us. If we get them it afterwards, in a way they can feel, they still don’t credit us. Again, because we aren’t effective enough in countering the grievance propaganda. The Republican propaganda drowns it all out and makes their other feelings stronger than the ones we give them in the form of real life assistance.
As to their valid grievances and what I think makes them more susceptible to that propaganda… in my county, one end is experiencing urban sprawl and slowly growing resources. The other end, my end, is untouched and even the resources from the other end don’t get shared with us. Meanwhile, property taxes went up. We are paying like we are benefiting from the growth on the other end, but haven’t yet.
Developers are being permitted to build without being tasked to pay fees to help beef up the infrastructure that additional people will burden. Water, waste management, schools, traffic, maintenance, etc. are not growing in step with the developing. Neither are jobs. And people who have relied upon the established local governments (generations of good ol’ boys) don’t know that it’s they who are allowing this. They vote them in continuously, because Republican messaging is effective.
How can this be Dem’s fault? It’s not. But they look at the better-off neighbors up the road in the other end of the county and see all the nice things Dems are helping everyone get, and those nice things look much nicer there, almost like they got extra nice things and we didn’t. That’s where the equity issue sits. We roll out nice things for everyone, assuming it will make the biggest difference for poor folks who need them most. If they do, and they attribute them to us, they like us. If they do, but they are still disheartened by the perception that we are only giving them scraps because look at the guys up the street and how much more they got done with it, then they just listen to Republican grievance propaganda. They feel ignored, judged, intentionally exploited, and their only source of pride is their ability to have survived independently of resources. Rugged individualism (from their perceived negligent but overbearing parents… Dems). Short of putting all our focus on just reaching some equity in these areas so that they get to gain better perspective, and get to benefit more from our help than their wealthier neighbors appear to be, then the only option is to change our messaging strategy with them.
I'm a rural voter. I'm irreligious. I'm a staunch supporter of abortion. However, many people would say I can't be reasoned with, so you've got me there.
"Again, because we aren’t effective enough in countering the grievance propaganda. The Republican propaganda drowns it all out and makes their other feelings stronger than the ones we give them in the form of real life assistance....the only option is to change our messaging strategy with them."
There it is in a nutshell. RWNJ media, including social media, is at the root. The repubs have no shame about manipulating their voters with propaganda. Democrats apparently do. I don't want Democrats to start lying like repubs but the truth is our messaging stinks and I'm convinced we can do better.
Nothing wrong with persuasion, as long as it’s based on factual statements. Nothing wrong with statements that elicit emotional responses either.
I get DVDs from the library all the time. Old ones are in rough shape, especially DVDs of popular shows.
The ex and I were invited to a wedding "event" consisting of three days' partying at a dude ranch on Flathead Lake. I said I'd go if he'd rent a car and take me around the "neighborhood" which was Glacier National Park, Yellowstone, Ten Sleep Canyon, Custer State Park, Devil's Tower, Deadwood, Mt. Rushmore, Crazy Horse Memorial, a visit to my friends in Mission SD adjacent to Rosbud Reservation, an unplanned trip to Niobrara Wildlife Refuge, and The Badlands. It was glorious. He knew of my desire to see the glaciers before they disappear.
Montana deregulated their power system 20 years ago per standard rethug policy. Ask them how well it worked for them. All they got was a really big bill when locals no longer controlled power production along with a really big hole in the ground with a really big puddle of acid at the bottom when mining jobs disappeared due to - wait for it- THE HIGH COST OF POWER! when you got to Montana trying to talk to locals I suggesst you maybe ask if they want to do this all over again, unless they have memory holed it.
Bullock ignores that Republicans are beating Democrats like him, while dismissing “New York values” and “coastal elites.”Coastal elites like long-time New York City resident Rush Limbaugh, and native San Franciscan Tucker Carlson?
Easier to say they're all a bunch of toothless sister fuckers. There's no difference between farmers in Iowa, rednecks in Texas, Bubbas in Georgia, or Hillbillies in Tennessee. They're apparently all the same.
It'll take decades to deliver at this point. But we still need to be seen as trying.
AOC won her seat in large part because the old incumbent never went back home to his district. Unless it was for a money beg. We all know this. It was no secret. She knew what the district and it's people needed and wanted because she was there.
Extend that past the interparty stuff.
If we're not there, we can't win. I'd we're not there, we'll always be out of touch. If we're not there, every day, we get no trust or benefit of the doubt.
I'm not talking about reaching the MAGAts. Fuck them. They're lost causes. But not everyone rural is a MAGAt and their wants and needs are different than the average city dwellers.
Case in point. The right to repair is a huge thing for almost everyone I know in the country. It doesn't even matter what rural region they're from, it's a big deal. Know anyone else who cares about that or even has a clue what it's about? That one is an easy fix we could do that materially improves their lives. That we can then hammer on. But we won't.
Yes, I've seem that myself. But some are in good shape. And many libraries can run the DVDs through a machine to fix them.
I respect rural voters enough to believe that the decent ones will vote like other people's lives matters.
The deplorables can fuck right off.