And what would we have for an EPA or Endangered Species Act if he hadn't signed them?
I know this is a concept really hard for people under the age of 60 or so to understand (with things like the modern Senate), but every one of those bills passed with HUGE veto-proof bipartisan majorities.
If he'd vetoed them Congress would have simply overriden the veto and better versions of the laws would have been enacted. Those years were the pinnacle of the environmental movement in American history, mostly because it was so blindingly obvious the laws were needed.
We nearly drove the Bald Eagle to extinction by the wanton use of DDT. Rivers caught fire, routinely because industrial waste was just dumped into them; water the people downstream used for drinking.
The skies were yellow with smog. Workers in all industries were routinely killed and maimed in the workplace.
The reason all too many people believe the EPA, OSHA, The Clearn Air Act and Clean Water Acts are so 'oppressive and un-neccesary' is precisely because they were hugely successful at what they were enacted to do.
The only comparable events in American history (in terms of the lasting impact on American society) was the creation of the FDA with the 1906 Pure Foods and Drug Act, and the Sherman Anti trust act in 1890, and the enaction of the New Deal in the 30's.
I think I'm struggling a bit to figure out why you keep saying the same thing everybody in the conversation seems to already know. That keeps us stuck.
Can we maybe do something potentially a touch more productive in order to move forward ... like figure out how to get Ginni Thomas arrested, tried, & convicted for attempted conspiracy to defraud the United States ...?
No he was still the most corrept motherfucker to ever inhabit the office. He started before he ever got there by sabotaging the Paris Peace Talks by clear and open violations of the Logan Act, which resulted in thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese, Cambodian and Laotian civilians dying.
He and his genocidal thug pal Kissinger engineered the overthrow of a democratically elected goverment in Chile which lead to 17-year long despotic military dictatorship that killed untold Chileans.
Those two acts alone puts him on the top in my book. Trump was openly corrupt but not nearly as bloodthirsty.
The media and the GOP campaigns took this one sentence and weaponized it. I blame the media for not providing full context and I blame Hillary for thinking this would be OK to say.
IRRC, there was a movie in the early 80s about this mining incident with Charles Bronson as Yablonski and Wilfred Brimley as Boyle. Can’t remember the name though.
From an environmental perspective, the Surface Mining Control and Reclamation Act of 1977 (SMCRA) was another landmark legislation. Earlier versions had been vetoed by Gerald Ford, but Carter fulfilled his campaign promise by signing it.
One of the key provisions was to require mining companies to post a bond to cover reclamation costs before obtaining a permit. This prevented a common practice of companies avoiding reclamation costs by declaring bankruptcy as soon as the mine was exhausted.
Correct. In this part of Cali, we have compost bins. That's where paper things that have food on them go.
Stitch them in. You'll thank me later.
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And what would we have for an EPA or Endangered Species Act if he hadn't signed them?
I know this is a concept really hard for people under the age of 60 or so to understand (with things like the modern Senate), but every one of those bills passed with HUGE veto-proof bipartisan majorities.
If he'd vetoed them Congress would have simply overriden the veto and better versions of the laws would have been enacted. Those years were the pinnacle of the environmental movement in American history, mostly because it was so blindingly obvious the laws were needed.
We nearly drove the Bald Eagle to extinction by the wanton use of DDT. Rivers caught fire, routinely because industrial waste was just dumped into them; water the people downstream used for drinking.
The skies were yellow with smog. Workers in all industries were routinely killed and maimed in the workplace.
The reason all too many people believe the EPA, OSHA, The Clearn Air Act and Clean Water Acts are so 'oppressive and un-neccesary' is precisely because they were hugely successful at what they were enacted to do.
The only comparable events in American history (in terms of the lasting impact on American society) was the creation of the FDA with the 1906 Pure Foods and Drug Act, and the Sherman Anti trust act in 1890, and the enaction of the New Deal in the 30's.
I think I'm struggling a bit to figure out why you keep saying the same thing everybody in the conversation seems to already know. That keeps us stuck.
Can we maybe do something potentially a touch more productive in order to move forward ... like figure out how to get Ginni Thomas arrested, tried, & convicted for attempted conspiracy to defraud the United States ...?
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No he was still the most corrept motherfucker to ever inhabit the office. He started before he ever got there by sabotaging the Paris Peace Talks by clear and open violations of the Logan Act, which resulted in thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese, Cambodian and Laotian civilians dying.
He and his genocidal thug pal Kissinger engineered the overthrow of a democratically elected goverment in Chile which lead to 17-year long despotic military dictatorship that killed untold Chileans.
Those two acts alone puts him on the top in my book. Trump was openly corrupt but not nearly as bloodthirsty.
I arrived (early) during a blizzard.
Employment in coal mining peaked in 1922 and has declined ever since.
The media and the GOP campaigns took this one sentence and weaponized it. I blame the media for not providing full context and I blame Hillary for thinking this would be OK to say.
The "Dean Scream" has enetered the chat...
I'm getting a lot of that. I will read-up on Nixon.
Preferably.
IRRC, there was a movie in the early 80s about this mining incident with Charles Bronson as Yablonski and Wilfred Brimley as Boyle. Can’t remember the name though.
He had little choice since it was passed by a veto proof majority.
Thoughts and prayers.
Wasn't me ok it was
From an environmental perspective, the Surface Mining Control and Reclamation Act of 1977 (SMCRA) was another landmark legislation. Earlier versions had been vetoed by Gerald Ford, but Carter fulfilled his campaign promise by signing it.
One of the key provisions was to require mining companies to post a bond to cover reclamation costs before obtaining a permit. This prevented a common practice of companies avoiding reclamation costs by declaring bankruptcy as soon as the mine was exhausted.