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Yeah, I'm not gonna say anything good about the Lenin statue or call it resistance art (though I suppose SER only said it's an opportunity to discuss resistance art, and that as a definitive statement SER only named the statue "controversial art") since I'm not from Seattle and don't know anything about it, but I don't have to know anything about the Lenin statue to know that this fuck can't reason himself out of a paper bag.

I mean, seriously, whatever the value of the original Lenin casting, TODAY people are painting the thing's hands bloody and giving it a Ukrainian heart.

It's not up to me to say how black folk in Georgia would respond to a statue of Nathan Bedford Forrest who had spent the last 30 or 50 years being dressed up or painted in different ways every month or two in order to both condemn his evil legacy and celebrate Halloween, but the problem with such statues, I think we can agree, is the message that they send, not the existence of a hunk of copper alloy.

The confederate statues exist because they are intended to HONOR those who fought to enslave others. And not just that they were intended that way in some distant past. They are still intended that way today. That's the "celebrate our heritage" crowd saying that. The statues are a form of praise of these infamous racists and form a passive cultural backdrop that encourages today's children to idolize infamous racists.

To me, this is the problem and the harm of the statues honouring Lee, Forrest and other Lieutenant Colonel FuckFace McRacists that are scattered across the south.

Ripping them out of the ground and tearing them off of a pedestal is one way to O'clast these icons, but if Black folk in the south decided they were going to paint statues hands blood-red and repurpose the statue to spread anti-racism messages while leaving the metal figure in place, I wouldn't be telling them that they're wrong and need to eliminate the thing.

These are different responses, but they are both morally similar in that they intend to disrupt the pro-slavery/pro-racism message originally intended and substitute a new message, a more healthy and just message.

I can't say what the original message of the Seattle statue might be, but it has clearly been subverted and the figurine repurposed for new messages.

If you're going to write about the moral implications of such a statue, it is the current message such an art piece sends that matter to whether removing it is commendable.

In that debate, whether Hitler or Stalin is the more evil isn't relevant. What's relevant is whether the statue celebrates genocide or mocks the man who inflicted it.

It is odd in the extreme that a writer of any talent would not appreciate the matter of message. That is, of course, why I consider the firing of Volodzko to be no loss at all.

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The difference between the Bolsheviks/Soviets and the Nazis? The Soviets would murder anyone who got in their way. The Nazis went out of their way to murder. The SS tied up insane amounts of manpower and resources in the Shoah. Troops that could have been at the front were guarding concentration camps, trains that could have been taking ammo and supplies to the front were used to take Jews to "the East". That's why the Allies did nothing about the death camps after they found out about them early in 1943-if the Germans want to waste resources murdering Jews instead of fighting us, let them, was the attitude. Hell, the last transport of Jews from Berlin was in March 1945, as Soviet artillery was landing in the Berlin suburbs.

The USSR was murderous in pursuing its goals. The goal of the Third Reich was murder.

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